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    Does anyone know which is best for a stage 3 diet. My Dr. had said I should replace 2% milk with skim milk or soy mik. I tried both not liking either. I wondered about almond milk as it has less protein. , ____________________________________________ Ann dianosed April 2010 Stage 3 Non Diabetic
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Diagnosed April 2010 CKD Stage 3 --- Non Diabetic Kentucky

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    Re: soy milk or almond milk

    I would take a look at the nutrition information on the package (protein, phosphorous, etc), and then bring that information to your doc.

    As long as you are staying within your recommended daily amounts of nutrients, you should be O.K. As always, I would suggest double checking with your health care team.
    Diagnosed Stage 2 CKD (lupus) 1985
    PD March 2009-present
    On Transplant List
    Husband is a match (undecided about that for now)

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    • #3
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      Has your doctor restricted your phosphorus intake? Soy milk and cow's milk are both relatively high in phosphorus. Cow's milk is the same whether 2% or skim -- the difference is in the caloric value, not the phosphorus content. Unenriched rice milk or almond milk would be the best choices for a lower phosphorus beverage, with rice milk (unenriched) being the lowest in phosphorus.

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      • #4
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        Hi Ann, I tasted almond milk for the first time today. It's too sweet for me but would be great in coffee.

        I cup almond milk=
        150 mg. sodium
        350 mg. potassium
        6% phosphorus

        The sodium is higher than 2% which is 120mg. The potassium in a cup of almond milk is considered to be in the high catagory.
        I agree with Annie's advice to compare nutritional info. and ask your Dr. or dietician what milk is best for you.
        May you always have Love to share, Health to spare, and Friends that care


        Acute Kidney Function Loss 12/07 - GFR 39
        Current GFR 46 - Stage 3 - Controlled HBP

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        • #5
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          I appreciate your responds, this helps me with my list of questions to my DR. at my next visit. He did not mention phosplorus or potassium to me.. Not using 2% milk is more for controling my cholesterol. I am on a low sodium & low protein diet. I liked the taste of the almond milk over the soy milk. I wish our store offered quart size though as I only use it on my cereal. I haven't tried cooking with it. I am new at this and learning as I go. I have learned so much reading the post on this site..I love the non dialysis receipes that Davita offers. I thought it would be much harder to give up all the foods I love, The use of spices in the recepies I have tried have really made a difference. Today we had the Crab Cakes, they where soooo good.
          ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Diagnosed April 2010 CKD Stage 3 --- Non Diabetic Kentucky

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          • #6
            Re: soy milk or almond milk

            You could ask you doctor about Rice milk. It is lower in Phosphorous. You might even be able to do half whole/2% milk and half rice milk.

            This was recommended for my husband.

            Ladybug14

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            • #7
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              I have not been able to find rice milk. I live in a small town with limited choices.. I ask my Dr. about Almond milk and he didn't know what it was. I am taking him infornation next visit. Which is next month for labs and etc. They have a dark chocolate milk that looks so good but feel sure that wouldn't be a good thing. My Dr. says if it taste good that it isn't good for you.. That does seem to be true.. I haven't tried going out to eat just don't know what would be OK.. Thanks for the response I appreciate all the input I can get. This forum is very helpful. Thanks again to all of you, Ann
              ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Diagnosed April 2010 CKD Stage 3 --- Non Diabetic Kentucky

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              • #8
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                I am in Stage 5 Renal failure and have been using the vanilla Rice Milk, which is pretty good. My Nutritionist mentioned to em the other day to use Almond Milk and they have come out with a new chocolate flavor which she also recommended. Since I have to stay away from dairy products, this is the way I am going. I also keep it down to a half a cup versus a whole cup since it cuts everything in half.

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                • #9
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                  Hi Ann, I don't know your specific diet restrictions, but theres something to be said about eating things in moderation. I go out to eat occasionally and I'm a little more careful about what I order, then the rest of the day I'm a good girl. Have you seen a dietician? If not it's a good idea to. You'll get the help you need in making good food choices that are right for your specific needs. I am stage 3, non diabetic as you. I have high bp and I'm trying to lose a few pounds. I do not find the restrictions are difficult at all. But prior to seeing a dietician I was lost and didn't know how much of what I should be eating. I was given multiple handouts with nutrient information on sodium, potassium and calories along with lists and lists of food to choose from. The lists also included many fast food restaurants and nutrient info. Seeing a dietician certainly took the guess work out of eating and made life much easier.

                  I want to add that we all have different requirements for eating. What works for one person may not be right for another. Always follow the advice of you health care team.

                  Good luck with this, Toni
                  May you always have Love to share, Health to spare, and Friends that care


                  Acute Kidney Function Loss 12/07 - GFR 39
                  Current GFR 46 - Stage 3 - Controlled HBP

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                  • #10
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                    Hi Tonia, There doesn't seem to be a renal dietician in this area, I checked with the local hospital and they only have dieticians for heart and diabetes. I ordered a book 10 step diet & lifestyle plan for healthier kidneys to avoid dialysis written by Nina Kolbe a broad certified specialist in renal nutrition. This has been a great help for me. My Dr. says I should follow a low sodium & low protein diet. That I don't need to be concerned about phosphorus or potassium yet..I have my BP under control now and have lost 20 lbs since I found out I have CKD. I am doing as my DR. said and avoiding beef and pork, I contribute my low BP to this. I must say that fish and chicken are getting really boring..but much better than going on dialysis as that scares the hell out of me. I would like to go out for a meal but just not sure about it and what would be a good thing. Living in Kentucky now has its limitations as the locals eat a LOT of fast food and everything fried.You guessed it I am not from here. When you go out what kind of choices do you make? My DR. says I can have veggie pizza occasionally, which I have done and didn't seem to hurt my GFR numbers any. Have a blessed day. Ann
                    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Diagnosed April 2010 CKD Stage 3 --- Non Diabetic Kentucky

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                    • #11
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                      Hi Ann,

                      I appreciate your diligence with maintaiing your diet. Continue to follow you docs recommendations about diet. Although everyone has different needs and foods to avoid, davita.com does give suggestions also for pre-dialysis patients. Ordering the book was a very pro-active on your part.

                      There are other websites with good information.

                      As for eating out. Don't punish yourself. Ordering baked, broiled and steamed is good. Do they know how to cook that way in Kentucky? Ha! Ha! Vegetables are always safe. We have even had extra vegetables given to my husband when he explained he could not have potatoes of any kind when eating out. It has been our experience that restaurants are willing to accomodate when they are aware.

                      Keep up the good work

                      Ladybug 14

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                      • #12
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                        Ann, Congratulations on the weight loss. I found that by losing 20 pounds, I felt so much better. It sounds like your diet isn't too restrictive yet. Do you find it difficult to keep the sodium low? I love chicken and fish, so that is what I order when going out. I replace fries with a salad, but I have always done that. Some fast food places have very high sodium in most of the food so you have to be careful. But as I said before, I really watch what I eat the rest of the day if eating out. Did your Dr. say to completely eliminate beef and pork? Beef hits my stomach like lead but a bacon cheeseburger sure sound good! (think those days are over)

                        Your diagnosis is pretty new and I admire your effort in doing what you can. In time you'll eat without thinking too much about it. What I mean is that you will get use to the restrictions.

                        Toni
                        May you always have Love to share, Health to spare, and Friends that care


                        Acute Kidney Function Loss 12/07 - GFR 39
                        Current GFR 46 - Stage 3 - Controlled HBP

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                        • #13
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                          Oh! that bacon cheeseburger sounds soooo good..Some of the fast food TV ads just drive me nuts knowing those days are over...I had a weakest for potato chips too. I have found a replacement of root vegetable chips with only 35 mg sodium. for 12 chips...This helps me feel normal again. They are new from TERRA, I found them at Walmart. The high sodium is what causes me to avoid restaurant foods.so far..My DR. told me to not eat animals, he did say it was OK to have Beef & Pork occasionally, I am afraid it would lead to cheating more often so I have not eaten any in the last 5 months..It gets easier as time goes by.. I never was much for fish & chicken but I am finding some good recipes that are quite good.. I only use a little sea salt in the water in cooking pasta etc. other wise I find it just too bland. Ladybug ,finding healthy food in KY. is a challenge. Ann
                          ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Diagnosed April 2010 CKD Stage 3 --- Non Diabetic Kentucky

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                          • #14
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                            Ann,

                            As you said, the longer you stay away from certain foods, the easie it gets. I feel the same with salt. My husband and I stoppped using salt back in the 80's when he was first diagnosed with high blood pressure. Now if we eat anything with salt, chips, saltines etc... they are distasteful.

                            Sorry to hear it so hard to get good food in Ky. I guess it is up to you to educate your state and promote good kidney friendly food. Who know's that may just become your passion.

                            Ladybug14

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                            • #15
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                              I could never live long enough to change the habits of the locals. I tried to tell one person that was complaining about his blood pressure being very high , cholesterol also and was diabetic, yet he drink at least 4 20 oz. reg cokes everyday.. I was telling him how much sodium was in one bottle and how bad that was. He says I am 42 and have always drink them and I can't and won't give them up. Oh yes he ask what is sodium :so there you go. This also seems so unfair that I have CKD and was, so I though eating healthy. But then again I never realized how much sodium was in one slice of bread until now when I read every label.
                              ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Diagnosed April 2010 CKD Stage 3 --- Non Diabetic Kentucky

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